Category Archives: Andrew Patner

The significance of die zauberflote, and the price that some have paid…

  1. Since the time of my experiences with “Monostatos’ Orchestra” and the demise of some of its members, I have said with regret that it seems that the aisles of Orchestra Hall are full of the corpses of those who have tried to block die zauberflote (the flute, not the opera) and slander me.  Why, I have asked plaintively, would I want there to be any more?
    Here is a current example of what happened to someone who tried to do this…
    During the summer of 2014, for some unknown reason, Andrew Patner decided to attempt to slander me on a blog called Slipped Disc.  Less than six months later he was dead:
    When I read his first slanderous post I contacted Norman Lebrecht, who manages the blog.  Although it is my thinking that Norman realized I was only posting under my own name and that there was no basis to Mr. Patner’s rant,  he did nothing to bail me out, which he occasionally does when a thread gets too far off base.  I found that disappointing.
    Here is the thread including his rant and my replies…
    Andrew Patner says:

    Ah, are you all just now learning about Ms (?) Pamela McElwain-Brown of Minneapolis USA (and always “born in Fairfield CT”? For seven years (until January 2014) she ran Blogspot weblogs called AndrewAndJoshua and JoshuaAndAndrew in which she impersonated a young gay male couple in Minneapolis and Boston as well as all of their friends, relatives, *and* site commenters. Behind these sock puppets she went after the then longtime critic of the Cleveland newspaper mercilessly and falsely. Again hiding her (?) identity she viciously went after individual orchestra players in Minnesota by name during their lockout. She is also very active — in this case using the Pamela McElwain-Brown name — as a JFK assassination conspiracy theorist. Apparently PMcEB at last lost interest in her web children and left them all hanging seven months ago. Here is her flute website: http://www.themagicflute.org She reminds me overall of a character in a late Hitchcock film. (And of course “George Kaplan” is the man who does not exist in Hitch’s “North by Northwest.”) Caveat lector! I know from experience, I admit. Oy!

    1. Amy says:

      Good to hear from you regarding Pamela, Andrew! Those creepy blogs savaged some good friends, some musicians I admire and some strangers I have always had compassion for, having been hurt for no reason other than pure malice. (Just what the world doesn’t need any more of.)
      Oy! back at you…!

      1. Amy, it is my impression that you are well aware that someone created a false blog about me and is using my image without a release.

    2. sdReader says:

      Thanks, Andrew. I always thought she was a bit odd. Then I realized she was a musician, and she seemed genuinely interested in the Minneapolis war, so I have given her comments a little more weight recently.

      1. What purpose can you possibly have into taking this thread OT?

    3. Why would anyone take this thread OT with a mismash of fact and libel? :-0

    4. Elise says:

      Thanks for the info, Andrew. In case anybody wants to keep track, “Pamela” also uses the following aliases: Joan Marshall, Claudia Menlo, Andrew van Zeveren, Joshua Adams, Sarah Westfield, Ron Brown, Hiram Foster, David von Pein, Anna Smith O’Hara, George Kaplan, Edgar Brenninkmeyer, and others.

      1. sdReader says:

        Edgar B is Pamela too? Oh, this really does need to be policed. It’s just wasting people’s time!

      2. That is false. I post using my own name and a photo. And, again, of course, OT.

      3. OT and false. Unlike you, I post using my first and last name and a photograph.

        1. sdReader says:

          Good. I’m glad to read this — because I can tolerate a wacky someone coming here with 2 or 3 identities and engaging in what Amy Adams aptly called dolls talking to each other, but Elise’s list of 12 or 13 false names, including one I spent time conversing with, just turns me off completely.

          You are claiming, then, that Andrew Patner’s research about you no longer applies?

          1. I only post on this blog using my real name and a photo. Why don’t you do the same?

            Andrew’s posts are a mixture of fact and libel. However, as this thread has been hijacked from its original topic, which is the Met, I do not plan to reply to it line-by-line on this blog.

  2. Andrew Patner says:

    One can hope that exposure lessens the audacity of these sorts of folks, Amy. At least people now know who this one “is” and can screen her (?) out. Sigh. And thanks!

    1. Guess I’ll have to work harder to win you over. :-0

      1. sdReader says:

        Or Slipped Disc will have to work harder to get rid of you. Annoying sick woman!

        1. OT.
          Plus, I post using my own name and a photo. You don’t and are making a libelous claim. Just which is ‘sick’?

          1. sdReader says:

            “I post using my own name and a photo” tells us nothing.

            “I post using ONLY my own name and a photo” would begin to address the concerns you have raised this week with at least three bona fide readers.

            Wondering what Norman thinks of this … .

          2. I do apologize for not making myself sufficiently clear to you. I only post on this blog under my own name and with a photo. Any other claim is false.

            And Norman manages to deal not only with those who are not hiding behind an alias as well as those who are with considerable aplomb, imo.

  3. Andrew Patner says:

    Thank you, Elise. Six years ago (!) when I rather belatedly cracked the scam of “her” bizarre “Andrew and Joshua” weblogs and then shared the story on my website, I wrote, “So I guess the great unraveling is done now. ‘La commedia è finita.’” Perhaps now, with your larger catalogue of this person’s mischief-making — sometimes trivial, sometimes seriously harmful — aliases, this nonsense will at least subside. Probably not, though: A person living in his/her own universe with time on his/her hands . . . At least people now know the web that has been woven.

    1. OT, Andrew.

      I am surprised that someone using their own name would post information they have already been told is false. I have nothing to do with “Andrew and Joshua” blogs. Someone other than me created it and is falsely using my image. I am working to have it removed but WordPress is not helping me and def lawyers, as you may realize, are expensive.

  4. Andrew Patner says:

    I certainly have no plan to respond to whomever it is who regularly clutters up these and other pages with some 15 different aliases (though almost always the same personality and phrasing). But as Norman Bates (certainly not Norman Lebrecht! 😉 )/Mother Bates has several times tossed the word “libel” out the window of his/her Motel, one notes that truth cannot libel nor is it clear how imaginary characters and sock puppets could be libeled, harmed, or defamed even if there were any intention or malice, which, of course there is not. I and others here are only calling attention to the single identity of an individual who has sucked in enough people and wasted enough of their time one place or another for at least the past seven years. If people wish to engage with this individual about any subject, or let him/her post comments on their websites, that’s not my affair. As I said initially: Caveat lector!

    1. sdReader says:

      It is Norman’s duty to police this blog.

      For the time being, we must accept Pamela Brown’s assertion that on Slipped Disc she uses only her own name and image.

      But I’m somewhat turned off. 24 hours ago I didn’t understand what Amy was getting at.

      And I’d still like to know whether my dialog with “Edgar Brenninkmeyer” was honest or not, in light of Elise’s post!

    2. Andrew, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I only post on this blog using my own name and a photo. I have only posted on this blog since the MO lockout began.

      I sincerely hope that you will apologize.

  5. SDreader said, “For the time being, we must accept Pamela Brown’s assertion that on Slipped Disc she uses only her own name and image.”

    This is your viewpoint while hiding behind an alias? With all due respect, just what color is the sky in your world today? :-0

    BTW, I will be responding in detail to Andrew Patner’s ‘research’ on a post on my own blog and will provide a link here when that happens. In the meantime, let me just state for the record that he has my name right, he used my actual website http://www.themagicflute.org, and I am a JFK researcher. Everything else from almost the first word is false. I was not ‘born’ in Fairfield, CT. I was born in Chicago.

    1. Come to think of it, SDreader, you don’t have to ‘take my word’ for anything. All you need to do is Google my name, “Pamela Brown”. I quit using my birth family name some years ago to give them a layer of protection.

      It has been my privilege to be a “public figure”, so to speak, in the narrow yet international niche of JFK research for some time, have been published, have presented at conferences and participated in a number of TV programs.

      On the other hand, if you would prefer to keep your head in the sand, don’t let me stop you. :-0

  6. Andrew Patner says:

    My sincere apologies to all! Wherever this person was born, the claim PB makes is that she “is originally from Connecticut,” “grew up in Fairfield, CT,” and that it is her “Hometown.” I am sorry to have so grievously misread those statements and to learn that, under whatever name, she now says that she was born in Chicago. She also writes: “Unquestionably, the most unusual musician of her generation, Pamela Brown has been called ‘the most exciting musician since Mozart’ and her playing ‘the real magic flute’ by ‘professionals’ we will just refer to as “Monostatos”, who then shunned have attempted to lock her out.” PB also tells us that these people were known to “target my children.”

    As stated twice before, this is not someone people want to spend time with/on without open eyes, if then. Have a nice day, all!

    1. Andrew, while I appreciate your apology, it is a bit difficult for me to understand if you are directing it to me or someone else. I sincerely hope we can find a way to move forward in a positive manner.

      BTW, I was born at Cook County in Chicago. My family moved to CT. I grew up in Fairfield.

      I’ll discuss your other references on my own blog soon and provide a link here when I do.


– See more at: http://slippedisc.com/2014/08/met-latest-artists-celebrate-gelb-in-disarray/#sthash.UDzg9rEo.dpuf

In the interim…or perhaps at all…my response to Andrew Patner’s attack on the Slipped Disc blog…

Initially this post was intended to provide some food for thought until the complete replies were posted to resolve Andrew Patner’s vicious and unwarranted attack on the Slipped Disc blog:

http://slippedisc.com/2014/08/met-latest-artists-celebrate-gelb-in-disarray/

On further consideration, spending any significant effort on what anyone with a reasoning mind can see is drivel is hardly valuable…

Mr Patner, the Chicago music critic blindly  said, “Pamela Brown has been called ‘the most exciting musician since Mozart’ and her playing ‘the real magic flute’ by ‘professionals’ we will just refer to as “Monostatos”, who then shunned have attempted to lock her out.” PB also tells us that these people were known to “target my children.”

Mr. Patner’s lack of curiosity here speaks volumes.  Considering the fact that Mr. Patner has given indications of knowing precisely what I am talking about and has decided to attempt to ridicule it, the appearance of ennui speaks even louder.

During the MO lockout I referenced a cadre of players who targeted me and my children by calling them “Monostatos”.  Those events took place some time ago.  Some took place on the stage at Orchestra Hall, behind the back of MOA.  (Not all of these players are dead or have left the MO; one  still seems to be leading others astray.) It was “Monostatos”, in fact, those very people whom Mr. Patner appears to respect, who made those statements to me in person but declined to do so at the level of the press.

Perhaps Mr. Patner or anyone else who might be looking for consistency in my posts might consider dragging themselves away from the myriad fabulous performances of those of whom they approve of , and sitting down with a vocal score or libretto of Mozart’s last major opera, The Magic Flute, and then reading it with an open mind. Even Mr. Patner might be surprised. :-0

Let me provide a link to one for handy reference:

http://www.murashev.com/opera/The_Magic_Flute

In addition, let this thread give anyone who has begun to ask themselves just how ‘credible’ Mr. Patner’s stance is an opportunity to ask themselves a serious question — do you listen with your head or with your ears?  I ask this because I can assure you that there are many who will happily present themselves as ‘credible’ in order to steer you to where they want you to go.  In short, they will be happy to do your thinking for you.  If you listen with your head, you will be vulnerable to being deceived and led astray.  If you listen with your ears, your chances of staying grounded are considerably stronger.

Then, if you wish, you can ask yourself another question — do you really believe that those who claim to be professionals and insist that they have a trained ear are unable to discern the unique sound of Mozart when they hear it?

If Mr. Patner and “Monostatos” know that what they hear is indeed the essence, or inner voices, of Mozart in die zauberflote, and they are telling you to ridicule this, what does this mean?

 

#MinnegeddonPartDeux — Andrew Patner and the sock-puppet venticelli…:-0

I love the Met.  I follow Met threads on the Slipped Disc blog.  I had just posted about my early memories about being bussed down to the Met in grade school to watch rehearsals.  I was enraptured — so were my classmates.  One of them even became a docent at the San Francisco Opera.  

So you can imagine my abject horror when I received an email showing a new comment to a Met thread.  It was not about the Met — it was about me!  Not only that, it was a rant that included my name, my actual website, the fact that I also am a JFK assassination researcher, and the rest was libelous drivel.  As someone who uses the alias “Amy” on SD and other blogs has been dogging my posts for months, I made the assumption that “Andrew Patner” was probably one of her aliases.  I immediately emailed Norman Lebrecht, who runs the SD blog, and begged him to remove the post. He declined to do that, explaining that Andrew Patner is in fact a real person, in fact, an esteemed Chicago music critic, and that he had made that post.  Norman suggested that I ‘slug it out’ so to speak, on the SD blog.  Here is a link to the thread:

http://slippedisc.com/2014/08/met-latest-artists-celebrate-gelb-in-disarray/

So I did defend myself.  And I asked for an apology from him and “Amy” and the other sock-puppets who tried to dogpile on me in that thread.  That was a couple of days ago.  I am still waiting…